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Friday, October 31, 2025

Happy Halloween, friends!

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From all of us at BOTNS to all of you, Happy Halloween!

On this holiday we like to post Batty winner Solomon Grundy celebrating his favorite adult beverage, and we like to suggest some past episodes that might fit the mood this weekend. So we're going to do it again!

Our magic-themed episode this week with Doug Henning could fit the bill, but here are selections from our archives for your Halloween listening pleasure:




















Thursday, October 30, 2025

Show Notes and Video Playlist: Episode 13-3: Doug Henning's World of Magic II

*We hope you find this episode full of WONDER and magic!

*Doug Henning (1947-2000) was a fixture on network television in the BOTNS era, appearing in NBC specials from 1975 to 1982 in addition to countless other shows and specials.

*He is listed as 5'5" 3/4" on IMDB.

*The Doug Henning project website is right here.

*Henning was indeed featured in Dynamite magazine. Also, I found this image from Retrontario of a similar mag:



*Henning's Muppet Show episode is 1980's Season 4, Episode 21.

*We talk about Night of 100 Stars here, and in the broadcast, Henning does an illusion with Ricky Schroeder, Maureen Stapleton, Florence Henderson, and Priscilla Lopez.

*The former Little Miss World is Cherish Alexander, who appeared in the 1982 Henning special. 

*This World of Magic special premiered on NBC Thursday, December 23, 1976. 

*Gibbsville lasted a mere 6 episodes on NBC.

*I have yet to find TV ratings info for this Doug Henning special. Everyone loooooooves to cite the reported 50 million for the 1975 special, but no one wants to talk about the numbers for this one!

*Of course CBS went another direction than what we wish would have happened with Henning and Marvel, and it aired its own Dr. Strange movie with Peter Hooten.

*There is a circus episode of Little House on the Prairie that features an elephant: "Annabelle" in Season 6.

Please enjoy our video playlist for this episode with promos, intros, commercials, and more! It also contains the full special that we discuss on the podcast. Click below to go right to it, or you can always visit our official YouTube page for all of our past episodes and similar lists for each one of them!



Episode 13-3: Doug Henning's World of Magic

In the seventies and early eighties, magic had a face, and that face had a big mustache. It also had long hair and wore sparkly versions of hippie clothes and had assistants in hot pants. That face appeared on Broadway in two magic-themed musicals and all over TV from talk shows to the Muppet Show to a series of successful specials on NBC. That face had a name--Doug Henning. He invited audiences to believe in illusions and wonder and joy. In his second World of Magic special, he invited Michael Landon, Joey Heatheron, and Ricky Jay along for the fun, and we talk about it all on Battle of the Network Shows!

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Monday, October 27, 2025

Brooks on Books: "Wanna Be Smiled At?" ("Affectionately Drawn by Bil Keane")

I'm gonna just say it right here once again: The Family Circus rules.

At least the original version of the strip does. Sure, it has its cloying moments, but in its earliest days, the panel offers some genuine laughs. 

Lest you wonder why we are talking about this book here, remember we discussed A Family Circus Christmas way back in our first season!

I dug up this book from my archives and tore through it this week. I loved it!



First off, P.J. rules. OK, so this cover does get at the occasional sentimentality of the strip. Also, though, P.J. IS adorable.

Here's the thing: Even if the gags aren't the best, there is often some kind of amusing facial expression that sells the panel. You get Billy scowling, Jeffy worrying, Dolly being earnest, and many times P.J. just sitting there with a goofy grin. Sometimes the kids are creating a total disaster scene in, say, the kitchen, and P.J. is in the background with a serious facial expression, and that's just as funny.

There are variations on some recurring themes: Kids say darndest things, kids embarrass their folks in public, kids create utter chaos, etc. Keane's drawing is not just affectionate, though, but it's effective. Subtleties in the faces and backgrounds often enhance the joke. Yes, I just referred to "subtleties" in The Family Circus.

It's a great book and about a 5-mintue read. I probably looked at this a lot when I was a kid, and I am paying for it now because it's starting to fall apart. I think I got my parents' 75 cents worth, though.


Sunday, October 26, 2025

Top Ten #377

1) The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything: OK, so it isn't the best TV movie we have discussed. Well, it's certainly ONE of them!


2) Richie Havens: His "Two Hearts in Perfect Time" is arguably the best thing about that movie!


3) Halloween: It's time to start serious preparations for the holiday. if you haven't started assembling your Exo-Man costume, you might already have run out of time!


4) NBA: Pro basketball returned this week and was immediately rocked by a betting scandal. I think I miss the good, old days when the league was plagued only by crippling drug problems.



5) Jaclyn Smith: Happy 80th to the star who, in retrospect, should have been in our trinity of brunettes along with Connie Sellecca, Lynda Carter, and Erin Gray! I just didn't watch Charlie's Angels much as a kid.


6) The Teller and the Tale: 40 years ago this weekend, this syndicated special aired. I don't remember it at all, but it features Vincent Price, Scatman Carothers, and Sally Struthers! I can't vouch for the recording below:


7) Mother-in-Law Day: Let's take time to celebrate all the mothers in law out there who may hate their daughters' husbands but who give us such comic gold.




8) Mighty Mouse: I know many of us growing up in the BOTNS era enjoyed Terrytoons in reruns, and now after years of neglect, they are getting a new showcase on the great MeTV Toons each Sunday at 3:00 P.M. ET.


9) Poindexter Yothers: I mentioned him twice this week in our Facebook group after commemorating the 50th anniversary of Afterschool Special "Fawn Story." Is he having a moment?

10) R.I.P. June Lockhart:





Friday, October 24, 2025

YouTube Spotlight: Joe Santos Is Me

Each podcast week, we take a look at one video from our video playlist here in its own post. We are discussing the 1980s TV movie The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything this week, and here is one of the associated clips:





Our guy Joe Santos from The Rockford Files (Shout-out to 200 Dollars a day Plus Expenses) starred in this short-lived NBC sitcom that happened to be on the night The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything premiered in syndication. In this one, "the girl" is Maxx, played by Melissa Michaelson, a precocious 11-year-old who surprises her dad by moving in with her bachelor father (Not to be confused with Bachelor Father). And by "moving in with," I mean her mom dumps her at his doorstep. Fun premise, huh?

Santos is a bit of a wiiiiiild and craaaaazy guy whose lifestyle is cramped by the new addition to the household, but they'll try to make this work together. Producer James Komack, NBC, and Fred Silverman couldn't make it work, together though, and it ran a mere 10 episodes from March-June 1980. It aired against The Incredible Hulk on CBS and movies on ABC.





Thursday, October 23, 2025

Show Notes and Video Playlist: Episode 13-2: The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything

*We hope you enjoy this season's look at a TV movie. We don't give this particular one a strong recommendation, but we have fun discussing it.

*The full movie and its sequel are in our video playlist this week (See below for link).

*We talk about Operation Prime Time in our Entertainment Tonight episode, and you can read about its creator Al Masini  here.

*The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything premiered in many if not most markets June 13, 1980. On the podcast, you can hear what else aired that night.

*The credited writers on the theme song, "Two Hearts in Perfect Time," are Ayn Robbins and Hod David Schudson.

*John Moschitta Jr. may have talked "at regular speed" in some gigs, but I haven't seen them! Peter Kevoian, who is the actor we think resembles him in this movie, went on to appear as a fireman in two episodes of Cheers.

*The San Diego Padres finished in last place in the National League West in 1980, 19.5 gamed behind the Houston Astros.

*One of the goons is played by Peter Brown, who had a long acting career highlighted by regular roles in westerns Laredo and Lawman.

*I think we convey our attitude about the movie without much ambiguity!

*The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Dynamite premiered in 1981 and starred Lee Purcell (ss Bonnie), Morgan Fairchild, and Philip MacHale (as Kirby). 

*John D. MacDonald's original novel is readily available and as of this writing is available in a cheap ebook format!

*Please enjoy our video playlist for this episode with promos, intros, commercials, and more! ---Click below to go right to it, or you can always visit our official YouTube page for all of our past episodes and similar lists for each one of them!





Episode 13-2: The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything

What's the opposite of an all-time classic? The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything might provide the answer. Ths syndicated TV movie from 1980 stars Robert Hays (Airplane!) as its amiable if hapless hero, who inherits a gold watch and a lot of trouble from his eccentric uncle. He also gets involved with Pam Dawber (Mork & Mindy) after the worst meet-cute in film history. Other recognizable faces round out the cast, but can they salavage this one? Unlikely.

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Sunday, October 19, 2025

Top Ten #376

1) The Bob Newhart Show: We kicked off our current and 13th season by talking about the classic 1970s Bobcom.



2) Newhart: We didn't make much mention of it this week, but here's a reminder that we talked about Bob's later sitcom, Newhart, back in our eighth season.



3) TV We Love: Haven't seen this new show on The CW, but it is examining classic TV series each Monday night, and it kicked off with a profile of The Brady Bunch. A press release says Barry Williams and Christopher Knight share "never-before-told stories" about the sitcom. I am rather skeptical that these guys--and I love their podcast--are sitting on more stories that they've never told!

4) John Candy and Stiller & Meara: Each act is the subject of a new documentary--the former on Prime Video, the latter on Apple.



Can a Leonard Frey documentary be far behind?

5) World Series: The 1985 Series began 40 years ago tonight on ABC. The "Show-Me" Series pitting Kansas City against St. Louis was filled with action, controversy, but not Howard Cosell. The sportscaster was booted from the ABC team, reportedly due to reactions to his book I Never Played the Game.




6) Mark Linn-Baker: The star of stage, screen, and, it must be said, Perfect Strangers; is listed as the narrator for Every Day Is Sunday, a new book about the modern rise of the National Football League. Uh, sure, would have been my first guess.

7) "Rock 'n' Zombies": This day in 1985, Hulk Hogan's Rock and Wrestling got into the Halloween spirit with an episode in which Bobby Heenan opens an amusement park where zombies apparently roam. The real shock is when Heenan "puts over" Hogan at the end of the story.

8) Angela Lansbury: She would have turned 100 this past Thursday, and Vogue ran a nice appreciation piece from a former assistant. I want to invite someone over this weekend just so I tell them, "Now how about a cuppa?" and "On your horse."

9) Love. American Style/Bridget Loves Bernie: Catchy Comedy runs a marathon of these two seldom aired (Except on this channel) sitcoms today.



10) R,I.P. Diane Keaton: She was not a TV actress, but what a great segment on Late Night with Dave interviewing her:





Ace Frehley: 


Ed Williams:



Saturday, October 18, 2025

YouTube Spotlight: Suzanne Pleshette Is Maggie Briggs

Each podcast week, we take a look at one video from our video playlist here in its own post. It's Bob Newhart Show week here, and as a reminder, you can click here for all the videos for episode 1, but right here let's focus on this one:



It's not just something CBS said when promoting the show; it's the actual title of the show: Suzanne Pleshette is Maggie Briggs! So I presume it's not pronounced Suzanne Pleshette IS Maggie Briggs, but Suzanne Pleshette is MAGGIE BRIGGS! Briggs is a New York Examiner journalist demoted to the human interest beat.

I suppose someone thought it was important to let everyone know who the star of the series was. Make no mistake, viewers; It's not Shera Danese!

The series aired Sundays on CBS for only 6 weeks, following 60 Minutes and going up against Knight Rider and Hardcastle and McCormick. There is a good summary of the series, from someone who actually watched some of it, right here.

Friday, October 17, 2025

Power Rankings: The Bob Newhart's Show deep cast of characters

As the podcast returns, so does the recurring weekly feature in which we rank one aspect of the show we cover. Remember two things: 1) This list reflects how these characters would fare against each other if they squared off on a neutral field in Peoria, Illinois; and 2) It's all in fun.

That said, let's look at The Bob Newhart Show and its deep list of regulars. All contribute to the series in some way, but some contribute to my personal enjoyment more than others. I'm not ranking Bob because, hey, he's an easy number one, right?

Also, you know, I'm still watching TBNS, and I have to say, we touched on it, but, man, Bob Hartley is pretty grouchy and more of a jerk more often than I thought. I'm not sure he deserves to see himself at number one at this moment in time.

1) Emily Hartley: She has her own quirks and inconsistencies, but Suzanne Pleshette's outstanding performance makes Emily one of the most effective sitcom wives around. She's a truly interesting character I could envision in her own series. Now, that doesn't mean I want to see a ton of TBNS episodes with her and with very little Bob, but still!

2) Jerry Robinson: An easy number two for me. Jerry, as we said on the pod, has a surprising edge to him sometimes and lends a lot of spice to the series while staying likable. He's a great foil for Bob yet remains effective in scenes without Bob. 

3) Carol Kester: When I first saw the show years ago, I didn't appreciate this character, but I now realize that her receptionist is goofy in the right ways but also grounded in others, making what could ahve been a cliched man-hungry work subordinate a compelling and funny person.

4) Howard Borden: Of the "core four" of non-Bob characters, he's my least favorite. I don't mean this as an insult to Bill Daily, who is great, but I am less interested in seeing Howard without Bob than I am the others. I will say that Howard and Emily work well together, and there is a funny tension between Howard and Jerry sometimes. Anything lower than this spot would be an insult, though, because we now move on to the not-as-regular regulars.

5) Bernie Tupperman: This may be a controversial placement because the office urologist is not exactly a huge presence on the show, but I always enjoy seeing Larry Gelman, so I am putting him above the patients.

6) Elliot Carlin: Despite Jack Riley's obvious skills, I think the show often uses Mr, Carlin just a touch more than would be optimal. I bet many fans would place him at least several slots higher, but I am going to risk adding to his neuroses by putting him here.

7) Emil Peterson: John Fielder is another performer who makes everything he is in better, and I think his Mr. Peterson is my favorite of the group therapy members. I put him below Carlin due to his relative lack of signature moments.

8) Craig Plager: I enjoy Howard Hesseman's low-key portrayal of this group member. It's a nice contrast to the more 

9) Larry Bondurant: Some of you might be asking, "Who?" Well, Larry married Carol, and he was only in 7 episodes according to IMDB, but he gets credit for not being annoying like a late-joining character very well could be.

10) Lillian Bakerman: She gets credit for longevity and consistency, but there is that weird thing we mention on the pod where Florida Friebus leaves the series and is sorta kinda replaced by a similar character. That still weirds me out.

Also receiving votes: The Peeper (best for what he brings out in Bob), Michelle Nardo, Ellen Hartley, Victor Gianelli, Ed Herd, Dick Loudon

Thursday, October 16, 2025

Show Notes and Video Playlist: Episode 13-1: The Bob Newhart Show

*Welcome back to Battle of the Network Shows! We are excited to bring you a packed 13th season!

*The Bob Newhart Show was on CBS for 6 seasons, 1972-1978, and aired 142 episodes--all on Saturday nights, most at 9:30. It won zero Emmys and only 4 nominations.

*Perhaps the show Mike is thinking of as a Saturday night non-sitcom is Mission Impossible, which aired on Saturdays for a while, including for 1 1/2 seasons in the early 1970s.

*The 1961 Bob Newhart Show from 1961 ran one season on NBC; the variety show isn't easy to see, but you can get a glimpse of it in this week's video playlist.

*The books we reference are I Shouldn't Even Be Doing This! by Bob Newhart and Hi, Bob! by Joey Green.

*The complete series DVD set is still available from Shout!

*Ages at the time of this episode: Bob is 43, Suzanne is 35.

"Don't Go to Bed Mad" (Season 1, Episode 8) has Emily upset over Bob's Monday Night Football habits. "Motel" (Season 2, Episode 2) shows Bob and Jerry going to a motel so they can watch a big game. There's another early episode where Bob wants to watch a big basketball game but has to do it in the bedroom because Emily has scheduled a PTA meeting at the apartment (Season 1, Episode 21, "Emily, I'm Home...Emily?")

*Peter Bonerz was in The Premise in New York and later in San-Francisco-based The Committee.

*Season 3's "The Battle of the Groups" is when two of Bob's groups go on a retreat together.

*"Mister Emily Hartley" is the eighth episode of Season 2, and it premiered November 3, 1973. Check out the podcast for details on what other shows aired that night, and catch some clips in our video playlist.

*Ben Gazzara starred in Run For Your Life, which I mention because it was one of my favorite TV show openings ever (See it in the playlist) and Arrest and Trial, a show that preceded Law and Order by decades!

*Writer Charlotte Brown is not to be confused with short-lived Peanuts character Charlotte Braun. Brown produced Rhoda, which we talked about last season!

*Regarding Bob's comment about Emily knowing Nixon's home prices: In 1973, Richard Nixon was asked how he could afford his $1.5 million San Clemente estate. This became a thing, with some explorations into the possibility that he used money from his 1968 campaign to buy the place and questions about the role of longtime associate Bebe Rebozo. Nixon's folks at different times gave different numbers for the total costs of the house and the down payments 

*"Roller Disco," the CHiPs episode where Bill Daily manages Leif Garrett's rocker, was our topic in this episode of the podcast from back in our first season!

Please enjoy our video playlist for this episode with promos, intros, commercials, and more! ---Click\below to go right to it, or you can always visit our official YouTube page for all of our past episodes and similar lists for each one of them!




Episode 13-1: The Bob Newhart Show

We open our 13th season in the Windy City with an all-time classic, The Bob Newhart Show. In "Mister Emily Hartley," psychologist Bob Hartley reluctantly takes an IQ test only to learn he has a lower IQ than his wife Emily (Suzanne Pleshette). Attending the Chicago High IQ Club dance as Emily's plus-one only confirms his feelings of inferiority as he suffers indignity after indignity. We discuss this along iwth the show's high-level consistency, stellar cast, and questionable fashions.

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Monday, October 13, 2025

RetroFan Review: issue 40 spotlights a former BOTNS Retro Retro show!

I'm still a bit behind in my RetroFan reviews, but I can't let issue 40 go without comment. After all, the cover boy is Jay North, star of our Retro Retro series from Season 11, Dennis the Menace!

My standard message remains in effect: RetroFan is my favorite mag, and I recommend you check it out at TwoMorrows.com.

Mark Voger's cover story on the 1959 CBS series is a great overview (Listen to our podcast for some more details) of the series itself but also delves into the unfortunate dark side of the show for North. His on-set guardian was an abusive aunt who physically hit him (out of sight of the other adults) when he messed up a line. No wonder North grew to resent the show before reconciling it with later (He died earlier this year).

Voger manages to convey the gravity of that situation while still celebrating the accomplishments of the sitcom and its comic strip origins. Just be aware the story is as much about North and the perils of child stardom.

Another cover subject is the equally precocious Incredible Hulk! Andy Mangels discusses a show that we might well have covered on the podcast if it weren't mysteriously unavailable on Disney Plus: The 1982 Saturday morning Hulk cartoon on NBC. Mangels is also puzzled by its scarcity, but he delivers my favorite piece in the whole issue.

He gets some interesting quotes from some original animators, like Rick Hoberg, who assets that much of Marvel's animation team turned its attention right to G.I. Joe as soon as that deal went into effect and therefore wasn't too disappointed when NBC ordered no new episodes after the initial 13. Mangels does explore the original plan for a second season: A pairing of Bruce Banner with his cousin Jen Walters, AKA She-Hulk. He also talks about the idea to give a series to Video Man from Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. Anyone who is curious about the history of the neglected 1982 Hulktoon must read this one.

Will Murray covers one of the greatest Western TV series, Have Gun Will Travel. He focuses on star Richard Boone's influence on the show and the production changes behind the scenes over the course of its 6 years. It's all fascinating stuff, though as is often the case with these TV overviews, I would have loved more discussion of specific notable episodes.

I enjoyed the story on Big Little Books adapting adventure TV shows. Like all these pieces, it's well illustrated with interesting photos and examples. Coverage of The Prisoner takes an interesting angle, with an interview with a creator of a comic book based on the show and a travel story about visiting the original shooting location in Wales.

This is a very 50s/60s issue, what with a look at Remco's 1966 Lost in Space robot toy, plus an extensive profile of Mickey Dolenz's time starring in Circus Boy. The latter draws heavily on Dolenz's autobiography, and it makes me think I really ought to read that book.

Hogan's Heroes gets a thorough profile courtesy of Bob Crane biographer Carol Ford. While there is an obvious emphasis on Crane, Ford does not neglect other individuals and aspects of the show.

This is a stellar issue of RetroFan, and though the Hulk piece is one of the few with direct relevance to BOTNS-era TV, I think our listeners will find a lot to enjoy. 





Sunday, October 12, 2025

Top Ten #375

1) Season 13: The podcast returns next week! And that is all I will say until Thursday!

2) The Paul Lynde Halloween Special: Thanks to Jason in our Facebook group for reminding everyone, hey, it's time to start firming up plans for our annual watch parties!




3) Roosevelt Franklin: Thanks to my uncle snagging it for me, I am now the proud owner of the new action figure of this Sesame legend:



4) Farmer's Day: I could try to link to a 1982 ag report that aired at 5:00 AM, but let's save that for next year and instead give all the farmers a giant SALLLLL-UUUTE!




5) Out of the Darkness: 40 years ago tonight, CBS aired this TV movie about the Son of Sam saga. Martin Sheen and Hector Elizondo starred, and some guy named Charlie Sheen was credited as "Man Shaving."




6) Susan Anton: Happy 75th birthday to one of the big stars of the BOTNS sweet spot (1975-1985)!




7) The 1975 World Series: Game 2 of one the most remembered Fall Classics in MLB history aired on NBC 50 years ago today...at 1:00 in the afternoon! The game was played in a wet Fenway Park and was interrupted by a big rain delay.




8) Viva Valdez: I had hoped Sony would celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month by uploading another episode, but I'll just post one they already gave us:


9) ABC Weekend Special: The anthology program for kids returned with a new episode on this day in 1985: "Captain O.G. Readmore's Jack and the Beanstalk."

10)  Hockey: The NHL returned this week! For TV coverage...don't go to USA Network. They don't have it anymore.



Sunday, October 5, 2025

Top Ten #374

1) Roku Channel: Something happened over there, and the platform got a nice influx of classic TV for October, including a lot of Sony library programs that had been limited to a season or two. It's been way too long since someone was able to binge The Facts of Life on streaming.



2) The Munsters: Tubi added the show, which we cover here, for October. It's a good thing it landed there. Grandpa's first spell put the show on History Vault.

3) Peanuts: The gang celebrates is 75th anniversary this week, and I bet there are a few seniors out there who still have bits of Almond Joy in their teeth.




4) McCoy: The short-lived Tony Curtis starrer debuted 50 years ago tonight as part of NBC's Mystery Wheel. The title character was a con man who turned "good" to outcon other con men.




5) President Harry Truman: He gave the first televised presidential address on this date in 1947. Viewers on YouTube had to sit through an unskippable 60-second ad for Thomas Dewey.

6) Gimme a Break: 40 years ago tonight, the series aired "The Man from Zoron," in which Ken Berry played a man claiming to be from outer space. Hey, I kind of want to see this now. Note that Berry gets special guest star credit in the actual opening credits/theme song. 




7) Angela Lansbury: She's Turner Classic Movies' Star of the Month. OK, OK, I suppose she had a career before Murder, She Wrote.




8) National Pizza Month: I plan to celebrate early and often.




9) The Honeymooners: Ralph Kramden debuted on this day in 1951 as a sketch on DuMont's Cavalcade of Stars, and Catchy Comedy celebrates with a marathon of the show this weekend. Outside the BOTNS time frame, you say? The 'Mooners are always welcome around here!

(The Classic 39 filmed half-hour version of the show premiered October 1, 1955.)




10) Ron Friedman, Patricia Routledge: We missed the death of the longtime TV writer a few weeks ago.